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	<title>Comments on: Answering a few questions about the leaked blacklist (updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the total secrecy that makes it so dangerous. Without the list being leaked how many more legal sites would end up on it? How far would the creep go? If the gov thought they could get away with it they would expand the list in the most ridiculous way and we&#039;d find ourselves living in a country we don&#039;t recognise. I know we don&#039;t really have free speech here in Oz, but who would have thought we lived in a country where the gov had the ability to censor based on political sensitivity? A constituent starts lobbying the gov about an issue being &#039;just wrong&#039; and next thing you know it disappears from the net?????? A lot of the material on that list is distasteful, but I could avoid it and anyone who actually spends time with and interacts with and supervises their children can too. This is more about parents being able to get down time away from their kids (at least they&#039;re quiet when they&#039;re on the computer) than real danger on the net. All said before, adding my 2c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the total secrecy that makes it so dangerous. Without the list being leaked how many more legal sites would end up on it? How far would the creep go? If the gov thought they could get away with it they would expand the list in the most ridiculous way and we&#8217;d find ourselves living in a country we don&#8217;t recognise. I know we don&#8217;t really have free speech here in Oz, but who would have thought we lived in a country where the gov had the ability to censor based on political sensitivity? A constituent starts lobbying the gov about an issue being &#8216;just wrong&#8217; and next thing you know it disappears from the net?????? A lot of the material on that list is distasteful, but I could avoid it and anyone who actually spends time with and interacts with and supervises their children can too. This is more about parents being able to get down time away from their kids (at least they&#8217;re quiet when they&#8217;re on the computer) than real danger on the net. All said before, adding my 2c.</p>
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		<title>By: Bits und so #139 (Schlechte Nachrichten) &#124; Bits und so</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Bits und so #139 (Schlechte Nachrichten) &#124; Bits und so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ACMA Liste(?) bei Wikileaks - Prompt durchsuchen brave deutsche Polizisten die Wohnung des [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Ribbitt</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Ribbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All someone would have to do to avoid detection is use a VPN that purges the logs after a couple of days, then use disk-wiping software to wipe the evidence off your hard disk, and that would be the end of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All someone would have to do to avoid detection is use a VPN that purges the logs after a couple of days, then use disk-wiping software to wipe the evidence off your hard disk, and that would be the end of that.</p>
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		<title>By: weez</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link>
		<dc:creator>weez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t42 said: &lt;blockquote&gt;the government (*cough* conroy) *Really* stuffed up on this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Make no mistake, Conroy didn&#039;t invent this policy nor is responsible for continuing this silly pursuit. It&#039;s da boss&#039;s doing. It all ends when KRudd says so- and it&#039;s KRudd and Labor in general who should be taking the heat, both now and at the ballot box if a backflip isn&#039;t forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t42 said:<br />
<blockquote>the government (*cough* conroy) *Really* stuffed up on this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Make no mistake, Conroy didn&#8217;t invent this policy nor is responsible for continuing this silly pursuit. It&#8217;s da boss&#8217;s doing. It all ends when KRudd says so- and it&#8217;s KRudd and Labor in general who should be taking the heat, both now and at the ballot box if a backflip isn&#8217;t forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: the things you read 2 &#171; Oz Atheist&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>the things you read 2 &#171; Oz Atheist&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EFA has some updates about the leaked [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Popular streaming porn sites under attack from ACMA &#171; Stephen Conroy is a Cunt</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Popular streaming porn sites under attack from ACMA &#171; Stephen Conroy is a Cunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] provides some interesting information regarding the dissemination of the list. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Planned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OzSoapbox</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>OzSoapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any charges laid against the public would most likely be laid under statutes targeting the distribution of child-abuse material (as opposed to, say, a law safeguarding Government secrets). There are many uncertainties in this area of law. Definitions of child-abuse material can vary, and it is not entirely clear that a list of links might not qualify. Certainly, a prosecutor could argue that distributing the list constitutes “making available” such material.&quot;

In using ACMA to originally publish the blacklist, aren&#039;t the government themselves guilty of distributing child-abuse material?

I&#039;m hosting a mirror in case wikileaks goes down again &lt;a href=&quot;http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/wikileaks-wages-war-against-acma-and-conroy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any charges laid against the public would most likely be laid under statutes targeting the distribution of child-abuse material (as opposed to, say, a law safeguarding Government secrets). There are many uncertainties in this area of law. Definitions of child-abuse material can vary, and it is not entirely clear that a list of links might not qualify. Certainly, a prosecutor could argue that distributing the list constitutes “making available” such material.&#8221;</p>
<p>In using ACMA to originally publish the blacklist, aren&#8217;t the government themselves guilty of distributing child-abuse material?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hosting a mirror in case wikileaks goes down again <a href="http://ozsoapbox.com/melbourne/wikileaks-wages-war-against-acma-and-conroy/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Watt</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Watt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This most recent leaks of the blacklist from the 11th March 2009 and 18th March 2009 highlight the requirement for a notification and review/appeal process.

If wikileaks hadn&#039;t leaked this then an Australian dental business would still be on the list blocklist of at least one filter vendor. If mandatory internet censorship was in place this Australian small business would have been blocked for all Australian internet users.

Stop internet censorship!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This most recent leaks of the blacklist from the 11th March 2009 and 18th March 2009 highlight the requirement for a notification and review/appeal process.</p>
<p>If wikileaks hadn&#8217;t leaked this then an Australian dental business would still be on the list blocklist of at least one filter vendor. If mandatory internet censorship was in place this Australian small business would have been blocked for all Australian internet users.</p>
<p>Stop internet censorship!</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4chan, Encyclopaedia Dramatica... will they block the rickroll next?!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4chan, Encyclopaedia Dramatica&#8230; will they block the rickroll next?!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Johm</title>
		<link>http://www.efa.org.au/2009/03/20/answering-a-few-questions-about-the-leaked-blacklist/comment-page-1/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Johm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more updated list has been released.

&quot;All three lists come from the same Australian Communications and Media Authority approved filtering software company source and described internally as the &quot;ACMA&quot; list.&quot;

&quot;A big &quot;sanitisation&quot;, following bad press over dentists and others being on the ACMA list. It&#039;s probable that the company only added, but never previously deleted, sites from the updates sent by ACMA.&quot;

http://tinyurl.com/c2xmpt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more updated list has been released.</p>
<p>&#8220;All three lists come from the same Australian Communications and Media Authority approved filtering software company source and described internally as the &#8220;ACMA&#8221; list.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A big &#8220;sanitisation&#8221;, following bad press over dentists and others being on the ACMA list. It&#8217;s probable that the company only added, but never previously deleted, sites from the updates sent by ACMA.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/c2xmpt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c2xmpt</a></p>
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